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Edward Carlin (Sept. 19, 1948 - March 19, 2020)

2020.04.09 21:00 portlane Edward Carlin (Sept. 19, 1948 - March 19, 2020)

Edward 'Ted' Theodore Carlin, Jr.
Sept. 19, 1948 - March 19, 2020
Edward "Ted" Theodore Carlin, Jr., passed away March 19, 2020. He was 71. Ted was a beloved husband, son, brother and uncle, lifelong educator, a devoted friend to many and an active volunteer in the Crooked River Ranch Community, which he loved. He was born Sept. 19, 1948, in Portland to Edward Theodore Carlin, Sr. and Barbara Carlin.
Ted was a 1966 graduate of Roosevelt High School. After graduation he served in the United States Coast Guard from 1968 to 1972. Ted returned to Oregon State University after his discharge, completing his Bachelor of Science in Education in 1977. He was a sports reporter for the OSU Barometer and a lifetime sports enthusiast.
Ted's first teaching job was at Jefferson Elementary School in Jefferson, Ore. During the summers he worked for the Forest Service at Rager Ranger Station in the Ochoco National Forest. Here he fell in love with Central Oregon, which would later become his home in retirement. In 1981 Ted was excited to be selected for a Fulbright Teacher Exchange and taught for a year in Leicestershire, England.
This experience fueled Ted's desire to travel (which he pursued throughout his life reaching almost all continents) and in 1984 he began his 22 year teaching career for the Department of Defense Education Activity (DODEA) in Heidelberg, Germany. There Ted met his future wife and fellow teacher, Phyllis. Ted was a much loved and admired educator throughout his DODEA career by students and teachers alike. He was a strong advocate for his fellow educators, serving as Vice President of the Federal Education Association for six years.
Ted and Phyllis moved to Crooked River Ranch in 2008. Two years later, to reconnect with his home state, he walked 456 miles from Newport to Ontario. The cause for his trek was to raise awareness of Oregon's vexing 55 mph speed limit on limited-access roads. Ted averaged 16 miles a day on the walk with Phyllis as his support team.
During Ted's retirement, he led a life of service. Joining the Crooked River Ranch Lions Club in 2009, Ted quickly became a passionate Lion. Soon after becoming president in 2011, the club became the largest club in the state of Oregon. But what brought him the most joy was serving as Central Oregon Vision Screening Coordinator for the Oregon Lions Sight & Hearing Foundation. He and a cadre of Lions from eight clubs screened over 100,000 students throughout his tenure including 15,394 this year. Ted's hope was that vision problems detected and corrected early could lead to better educational experiences for children.
Ted was one-of-a-kind, a spirited, fun-loving, adventurer. He was kind, generous and welcoming; a natural leader, planner and organizer. He shared his parents' passion for golf and enjoyed serving as president of the Central Oregon Senior Golf League. For many years, including when he was fighting prostate cancer, serving on the Jefferson County Relay for Life planning committee brought him joy.
Ted is survived by his wife, Phyllis of Crooked River Ranch; two sisters, Patty Fabrikant of Washington D.C.; Mary Yates (John) of Vancouver, Wash.; nine nieces and nephews; and seven great-nieces and nephews.
Interment will be at Willamette National Cemetery in Portland and a Celebration of Life will be held at Crooked River Ranch at later dates. Memorial contributions may be made to the Crooked River Ranch Lions Foundation, P.O. Box 1163, Terrebonne, OR, 97760, the Oregon Lions Sight & Hearing Foundation, 1010 N.W. 22nd Ave., #144, Portland, OR, 97210 or the charity of your choice.
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2019.10.15 05:13 Carebarehair Who killed Shani Warren?

On the 18th of April 1987 the body of 26 year old Shani Warren was found on the bank of Lake Taplow in Maidenhead, England. Her mouth had been gagged with a blue scarf, her hands were tied together behind her back with jump lead cables, her feet were tied together with rope. She was wearing high heel shoes and was found on the muddy bank of the lake. She had drowned in a foot and a half of water.

The Home Office pathologist, Dr Ben Davies, performed an autopsy and found that she had died of drowning. However, he also discovered that she had been sexually assaulted; she had a strangling mark around her neck, which had probably been made with a car jump-lead; a jump-lead had been used to bind her wrists and ankles; and she was gagged. And yet Dr Davies concluded that she had committed suicide.

At the inquest, Shani’s mother insisted that her daughter was not suicidal, a psychiatrist who had examined her diaries agreed, but Dr Davies – who had earlier been removed from the approved list of Home Office pathologists and then reinstated – insisted that this was a case of suicide. Faced with such a conflict, the coroner recorded an open verdict, and little more effort was made to trace her attacker.

Shani had gone missing the day before. Shani had cut the grass at her home in Stoke Poges, Buckinghamshire, She had placed the grass cuttings into black bin bags, before loading them into the boot of her car - an almost brand new Vauxhall Cavalier. She told her parents she was taking the cuttings around to her uncles. She had also bought some flowers for her boyfriend and a bottle of Champagne to celebrate paying off her new car. That was the last time she was seen alive.

Her car was examined shortly after her death and it was found to have a faulty gear box. This meant it couldn't be driven in either first or second gear - yet her parents testified that it was a brand new car and she had driven away without a problem on the day she went missing.

A knot expert concluded that it would've been impossible for Shani to tie the knots behind her back, especially when using car jump lead cables. However one month later he changed his mind and said it might be possible after all.

The inquest returned an open verdict but the Police treated it like a suicide.

SUSPECTS:

Shani was a secretary for a manager at "Micro scope" - an "intelligent computer systems" manufacturer. Micro scope was taken over by GEC-Marconi four weeks after the date of Shani’s death at a cost of sixteen million pounds. It was the first such acquisition in seven years for GEC-Marconi.

GEC-Marconi was a major, high tech, electronics company, and the UK's only supplier of torpedos. In the 1980's Marconi was working on top secret weapons projects for the British and American Governments, especially the Strategic Defense Initiative (the so called "Star Wars" project). During the 1980's, between 22 and 25 scientists died, some in very suspicious and bizarre circumstances. All the scientists were in some way connected to Guidance missile systems. Nearly all were connected with Marconi, yet nearly all their deaths were ruled suicide or accidental.

The first death occurred in March 1982. Dr Keith Bowden, a senior computer scientist, who had been contracted by Marconi to work on a top secret programme. drove his car across a dual carriageway and plunged off a bridge, down the embankment, into an abandoned rail yard. He died instantly. The police said Dr Bowden was speeding, and the coroner found high levels of alcohol in his system, so it was ruled an accident.
Dr Bowden had attended a social gathering that evening, but everyone there agreed that he hadn't been drinking. His wife and Solicitor hired an accident investigator to examine the wrecked car. He found that someone had swapped the normally pristine tyres on Dr Bowden's Rover and replaced them with a set that were old and almost threadbare.

April 1983, Lt Colonel Anthony Godley, went missing. Godley was head of work study at the Royal College of Military Science. They had a close working relationship with Marconi. Godley has never been found.

Three years later in 1985, Marconi Radar expert and Draughtsman, Roger Hill died from a shotgun blast to the chest - it was ruled suicide.

A few months later, Jonathan Walsh died after falling out of his Ivory Coast hotel balcony window in West Africa. He had been complaining for months that he was being watched and followed, and that his life was in danger. His death was ruled an accident.

One year later in August, Vimal Dajibhai, 24, a computer control systems scientist. Working in Marconi's Stingray torpedo department, Vimal phoned his wife to tell her he would be late home, then he drove to Bristol (135 miles away) and jumped from the Clifton Suspension Bridge. Dajibhai was found with his trousers around his ankles, and a small "needle sized" puncture wound on his left buttock. His death was ruled a suicide although the Coroner did mention his concern about the death. Vimal had handed in his notice to Marconi and only had four days to go before he left. His family and friends say he was looking forward to starting his new job in London.

Six weeks later, Arshad Sharif, 26, another computer scientist who worked on satellite guidance systems at Marconi, also travelled to Bristol, tied one end of a rope to his neck, the other end to a tree, then jammed his foot on the accelerator of his car and decapitated himself. The day before his death, Sharif had been acting oddly and was seen paying for accommodation in a rooming house (popular with Aerospace employees) with a bundle of high denomination bank notes, although none of these notes were found post mortem. A relative summoned to identify the body noticed what appeared to be a metal rod was lying on the floor of the car next to the accelerator. Had it been used to wedge down the pedal? The Bristol Coroner wasn't happy with the coincidence of these latest two deaths, especially when it was discovered both men were working on "Cosmos", an underwater missile, guidance system, but he eventually recorded a verdict of suicide.

A few months later, around Christmastime 1986, Dr John Brittan was lucky enough to escape with only minor harm when his car suddenly and inexplicably, veered across a busy road and he ended up in a ditch. A few weeks later, in January 1987, after returning from a top secret trip to America, Dr Brittan was found dead in the garage at his home. He died from Carbon Monoxide poisoning. His death was ruled suicide.

Two weeks later, the body of Richard Pugh was found at his flat. Pugh was a computer expert for the defence industry but it is not known if he was connected to Marconi. Pugh was found with a plastic bag over his head. A thick rope was coiled around his body, and four times around his neck. His feet were bound together with rope. His death was ruled an accident through sexual misadventure.

At the same time Pugh died, Avtar Singh-Gida, an employee of the British Ministry of Defence, who worked on a number of Marconi's top secret programs, vanished from his home in Loughborough, England. He was feared dead but he was found in Paris' red-light district, fifteen weeks later. He had no memory of where he had been, or what he had done in that period. He returned to work and refuses to discuss what might have happened.

Still in early 1987 (February), Peter Peapell, a Metallurgy expert working for Marconi was found dead in his garage. Like Dr John Brittan, he died from carbon Monoxide poisoning. His wife stated that they had gotten home from a pleasant evening out. Peter went to put the car away and she went to bed. He was found the next morning with his body jammed under the car in an unnatural position. His death was ruled open.

In the same week, Marconi Engineer, David Skeels was found dead in almost exactly the same circumstances - in his garage. He died from Carbon Monoxide poisoning. This time a hose pipe had been affixed to the exhaust. Skeels was sitting in the front seat. His death was ruled a suicide.

A few days later in February 87**, Victor Moore**, another Marconi employee died from a drugs overdose. His death started an investigation by M.I.5 - although it remains classified to this day.

A few weeks later, John Whiteman died by drowning in his bath. His body was surrounded by alcohol and prescription drugs - though none were found in his system.

Less than a month later, in March 1987, David Sands packed his car with containers of petrol and drove very fast into an empty restaurant. He died in the ensuing fireball. He was on his way to work, wearing his seat-belt, when he made the sudden U-turn and drove at speed into the building. Sands worked for Elliott Automation Space and Advanced Military Systems Ltd – a sister company of Marconi. His family and friends all agreed that he was not showing any signs of stress or strain. His death was ruled suicide.

Less than a month later, in April 1987, Stuart Gooding, an employee of the Royal College of Military Science , died when he slammed his car head-on into a truck on the island of Cyprus. Colleagues of Gooding expressed doubt at the accidental death verdict.

On the very same day Stuart Gooding died, David Greenhalgh also died, after falling (or being pushed) off a railway bridge in Berkshire. Greenhalgh just happened to be working on the same program as David Sands. Greenhalgh survived for a few days but had no recollection of why he jumped or if he was pushed.

It is here in the timeline that Shani Warren was found dead. It should be noted that David Greenhalgh and Shani Warren died in the same week. They also lived around the corner from each other.

On the same day as Shani died, George Kountis travelled over 3000 miles to Liverpool, and drove his car into the river Mersey. His sister has always maintained something sinister happened. The Coroner ruled suicide by drowning.

One week later on April 24th, Mark Wisner was found dead in a house he shared with two colleagues. He had several metres of cling film wrapped around his face, and a plastic bag on his head. Wisner Was a Software Engineer for the Ministry of Defence. The Coroner said the death was an accident from sexual misadventure.

One week later on May 3rd 1987, Michael Baker, a Digital communications expert working on a defence project at Plessey, died when his car crashed through a barrier near Poole in Dorset. Plessey are important because the previous year they had been bought by Marconi. The Coroner's verdict was Misadventure.
One month later, in June 1987, Frank Jennings, an Electronic Weapons Engineer with Plessey, was found dead from a heart attack. There was no inquest.
On March 25th,1988, Trevor Knight, a Computer Engineer with Marconi Space and Defence Systems, was found dead at his home in Hertfordshire. He was in the garage, at the wheel of his car with a hosepipe connected to the exhaust. Knight's friend, Miss Narmada Thanki found three suicide notes written by him. Miss Thanki mentioned that Knight disliked his work but she did not detect any depression that would have driven him to suicide. Coroner's verdict: Suicide.
In August 1988, Alistair Beckham, a Software Engineer with Plessey, was found dead after being electrocuted in his garden shed with wires connected to his body and a handkerchief stuffed in his mouth. Apparently after doing some light gardening on a Sunday afternoon, he entered his shed, placed a Handkerchief in his mouth, attached wires to his body then jammed the wires into a power socket. The Coroner recorded an open verdict. His wife refuses to believe he took his own life. Hours after his death, men from the Ministry of Defence turned up at his home and removed files and folders.
In the very same month Beckham died, Peter Ferry, an Assistant Marketing Director with Marconi, was also found dead by electrocution. In his company flat, he stripped some wires, then jammed them into his tooth fillings, before inserting the other end into a plug socket. The Coroner recorded an open verdict.
One month later, in September 1988, Andrew Hall, an Engineering Manager with British Aerospace, was found dead of Carbon monoxide poisoning in a car with a hosepipe connected to the exhaust. I'm unable to determine the location. British Aerospace and Marconi amalgamated to create BAE Systems. Death ruled a suicide.

In late 1991, Malcolm Puddy, who worked for Marconi, told his bosses, in an excited state, that he had "found something amazing". A week later he was pulled out of a canal dead. He had a painter's palette tied around his neck. All of his work computers had been emptied

No doubt much of the above is speculation. Finding out about the Government Defence employees is always extremely difficult, and a lot of misinformation will have been thrown into the mix.

SECOND SUSPECT:
(the following is copied from https://www.nickdavies.net/1999/10/05/getting-away-with-serial-rape-the-story-of-clive-barwell/ )
Clive Barwell.
At about half past two in the afternoon on May 14 1993, a 23-year-old woman from Leicestershire drove her mother’s car into the centre of Nottingham and parked on the ground floor of the concrete multi-storey car park which squats on the edge of the Broadmarsh shopping centre. For a few moments, she sat there, sorting through her handbag.
A man suddenly pulled open the door beside her, clamped his left hand over her mouth, pushed the blade of a knife against her throat and shoved her across the car into the footwell. He threw her coat over her head, threatened to slit her throat and drove off. For a while, he seemed to be intent on theft, rifling through her handbag and pulling her watch and rings off her when he stopped at traffic lights. He asked her if she was religious, and she told him she was a Catholic. “You’d better start praying,” he told her.
After a while, he drove away from the city and turned off down a long gravel path where he raped her, doing his best to cause her pain and to terrify her with his knife. When he had finished, he tied her naked in the footwell of the car, drove to a bank where she told him her PIN number so he could use her credit cards to take her money, and then he stopped again in some rural spot and, while she lay naked and bound in the car, he took the cap off the petrol tank and attempted to set fire to it. He failed and, a little later, he abandoned the car, with the 23-year-old woman crying alone inside it.
This was a strong woman. Despite all that happened to her that afternoon, she has gone on to marry and to rebuild her life, a battle with pain which has been made none the easier by the discovery by detectives last year that the man who assaulted her with such unbridled ferocity was supposed to have been locked up in prison at that very moment, serving a 16-year sentence for armed robbery.
Clive Barwell was eventually arrested for sex attacks after a highly successful inquiry of unprecedented scale, named Operation Lynx and led by the head of Notts CID, DCS Phil Davies. But by the time they arrested him, in March last year, Barwell had been able to spend some 16 years years traveling the country abducting, raping and attempting to murder women, profiting along the way from a series of blunders by detectives who originally dealt with his crimes and, most alarmingly, by the prison service who had been entrusted with locking him up when he was caught for other, non-sexual crimes.
Barwell has become the latest in an unsettling history of notorious cases in which serial sex offenders have left the law looking foolish: the Yorkshire Ripper who killed 13 women while police followed false clues; Denis Nilsen who killed 15 young men before the police even realised a crime had been committed; Operation Orchid which traced the paedophile murder of up to nine young men, only to have most of the cases dropped by the Crown Prosecution Service. The murders of nine prostitutes, some allegedly by the ‘Midlands Ripper’, remain unsolved; and the National Crime Faculty at Bramshill, Hants has been investigating some 200 unsolved murders of women, some of which are also believed to be the work of undetected serial killers.
In retrospect, the problems with Barwell can be traced right back to his first known sex attack, in December 1982, when he drove into the middle of Bradford on a dark and foggy night and waited in a car park on derelict land behind St George’s Hall until he saw a woman alone in a car. It was a symbolic location: Bradford had been a regular hunting ground for Peter Sutcliffe, the Yorkshire Ripper, who had been jailed the previous year, and the West Yorkshire police were still reeling from criticism over their mishandling of the case. Their competence was about to be challenged again.
When the 30-year-old woman, half naked and weeping, went to police later that night and described how a man had forced his way into her car and driven her off and raped her, West Yorkshire detectives checked the local airports, searched the lane where the woman was raped, checked records of cars which had been stolen or abandoned that night and got nowhere. By embarrassing chance, the inspector who dealt with the woman was one Brian Harry Jackson who was later to be sent to prison himself for indecently assaulting young girls.
A month later, on January 3 1983, Barwell was back on their patch. He was visiting his girlfriend, Alwyn, who was in Leeds General Infirmary with appendicitis, but in the car park that night, he forced his way into a 26-year-old woman’s car, drove her off, threatened to shoot her in the back of the head and raped her. When he had finished with her, he gagged her and bound her ankles and wrists with electric cable, pulled a shopping bag over her head and drove her to the banks of the Leeds and Liverpool canal, where he shoved her in. The woman was out of her depth in freezing water which rapidly filled the bag over her head. Barwell stood on the bank and watched her struggling. Kicking out, the woman felt a large stone on the floor of the canal and managed to get her feet onto it and to push her face above the water. She wriggled free from the cable and took the bag from her head. Barwell cursed her from the bank and, in fear, she turned and thrashed through the water to the far bank and safety. Barwell fled in her car, which he abandoned and torched.
West Yorkshire police rapidly realised the two offences were linked and set up an incident room to catch the serial rapist. They re-interviewed the first victim, ran an extensive inquiry, knocked on 14,153 front doors in search of witnesses but got nowhere. Along the way, they made mistakes. Some were small: a Leeds man saw the second woman’s car in flames and got a close look at a man who walked away, but when he went to West Yorkshire police to tell them, he complained he was treated more like a suspect than a helpful member of the public.
Other errors were worse. West Yorks police knew the rapist had used a stolen blue Ford Cortina before and after the abduction of the second victim. They knew, too, that someone had stolen a car in Leeds a week earlier in very similar locations and then gone on a shopping spree with a credit card from that car. If the two incidents were linked, this would yield a harvest of clues: there might be a pattern to the use of the credit card which could indicate the home area of the rapist; possibly he had even used the card in a shop where his name was known. The inquiry sent off for copies of all of the vouchers that had been used in the shopping spree – 20 of them. One of these vouchers proved there was indeed a link: it had been used to buy petrol for the stolen Ford Cortina driven in the second rape. The garage assistant had carefully written the Cortina’s number on the back of the voucher. But the detective who checked the vouchers simply missed the clue and reported that there was no link between the stolen credit card and the rapist. The harvest of clues remained untouched. The officer responsible has since been promoted to superintendent.
With both rapes, West Yorkshire police followed correct procedure in gathering numerous swabs and body hairs and other evidence from the victims and their cars but, when they failed to find their attacker, even though they knew it was highly likely that their serial rapist was still at work, they simply threw out the lot. When Operation Lynx re-opened the two cases, they had no usable scientific evidence to work with. The first woman had produced a photo-fit of her attacker, but West Yorkshire police had lost it.
Barwell continued to enjoy his liberty, living with his wife and two young sons in Leeds, committing armed robberies and stealing cars to order and, from time to time, abducting and raping women. Police are still putting together the full picture of his career. It is known that some 15 months after getting away with his rapes in Bradford and Leeds, he waited in a car park in Leicester until he saw a 20-year-old woman parking. Once again, he abducted her in her own car, drove her away and raped her, using his knife to cut her breasts, belly and neck. Leicestershire Police investigated but soon became embroiled in embarrassment.
This victim was so horrified by her experience that she never told her husband and reported it to the police on condition that they would protect her identity. However, her husband worked occasionally for police in a civilian role and subsequently walked into a CID room to find the intelligence board displaying pictures of his wife as a rape victim, naked to reveal her injuries. When he confronted his wife, she was furious and withdrew her co-operation from the inquiry. In the meantime, a detective inspector had stolen papers dealing with her rape and started visiting her at home, apparently hoping to have sex with her. This inspector, like his predecessor in West Yorkshire, was subsequently jailed for separate indecency.
The Leicestershire police contacted West Yorkshire to point out the similarity between the three attacks but, although they agreed to stay in touch, they set up no joint inquiry and, when they failed to find their man, Leicestershire like West Yorkshire before them gave up the hunt and threw out all of the scientific evidence which they had collected. Barwell carried on raping.
On November 15 1985, he marked the birth of his daughter by attacking a 20-year-old woman who was parking her car in central Doncaster. South Yorkshire police made no link between this and Barwell’s other offences, failed to make any progress with the inquiry and lost or destroyed every single piece of evidence and every single piece of paperwork from the case. When Operation Lynx finally solved the crime, they had to go to the files of the local newspaper to get a contemporary account of the victim’s ordeal.
Barwell was now working as a long-distance lorry driver, using his spare time to referee football matches in the Northern Counties League and also to attack women. His next known attack raised new worries. Shani Warren, aged 26, disappeared on April 17 1987. She had been mowing the lawn at her home in Stoke Poges, Bucks and had apparently set off in her car to dispose of the grass cuttings. She never returned and, the next day, she was found dead, in Taplow Lake, Berks. A Home Office pathologist, Dr Ben Davies, found that she had died of drowning. However, he also discovered that she had been sexually assaulted; she had a strangling mark around her neck, which had been probably been made with a car jump-lead; a jump-lead had been used to bind her wrists and ankles; and she was gagged. And yet Dr Davies concluded that she had committed suicide.
Thames Valley Police tried to start a murder inquiry. When an inquest was held, Shani’s mother insisted that her daughter was not suicidal, a psychiatrist who had examined her diaires agreed, but Dr Davies – who had earlier been removed from the approved list of Home Office pathologists and then reinstated – insisted that this was a case of suicide. Faced with such a conflict, the coroner recorded an open verdict, and little more effort was made to trace her attacker.
Operation Lynx has since established that on the day of Shani Warren’s death, Clive Barwell was driving near her home in Stoke Poges and also near Taplow Lake, which is some 25 miles away. They also noted the similarity between her death and the attempt by Barwell to kill the woman who was thrown into the Leeds and Liverpool canal. But at the time, Barwell once again was allowed to slip away.
Six and a half months later, however, on November 6 1987, Barwell’s career as a sex criminal finally ran into trouble when he was arrested for using a sawn-off shotgun to rob half a dozen security vans and for stealing numerous cars – including 16 from one car park in York in a single day. He was denied bail and when his trial ended, on January 13 1989, he was sent to prison for 16 years as a Category B security prisoner. The police had not begun to suspect that he was a serial rapist but they had at least locked him up where he could do no more harm to women. And yet within three and a half years, he was able to rape again – from within prison.
Barwell behaved like a model prisoner, obeying the rules and taking educational courses; persuading prison officers, governor grades and probation officers that he was trustworthy and reformed. After only two and a half years, he was reduced to Category C and, a year later, on August 24 1992, he was reduced to Category D, the lowest possible security status, and sent to an open prison, in Sudbury, Derbyshire. According to Prison Rules, he was not entitled to go on home leave until he had complete a third of his sentence, in March 1993. In fact, he was immediately allowed to return home on ‘resettlement licence’, which also allowed him to work locally as an electrician. On January 7 1990, he went to Leeds to visit his sick father on a four-day leave and at ten o’clock the next night, he attacked a woman who was leaving her car in Belgrave Street in the city centre.
The woman fought him off. She told police he had grappled her towards her car door, holding a butcher’s knife at her throat and ordering her to get in. She had no doubt he was trying to abduct her and later suffered severe bouts of depression and anxiety, but West Yorkshire police not only failed to find her attacker but recorded the incident as an attempted robbery, apparently an attempt to reduce the level of reported sex crime on their patch. Her car, which had been touched by Barwell, was never examined for prints. Her clothing, which had been torn, was never examined for body hairs. Four months later, Barwell left the prison on a day release to go to work as an electrician, ignored his job, travelled to Nottingham and abducted, raped and attempted to burn to death the 23-year-old woman whom he found in the multi-storey car park there. The Prison Service say there is no trace of his being disciplined for failing to go to work.
Although he was still only five years into his 16-year sentence, Barwell continued to enjoy a life of liberty. On one of his many trips to Leeds, he met a 33-year-old divorcee, Margaret Teasdale. Barwell had divorced his former wife and, on Valentine’s Day 1994, he and Margaret were married in Leeds register officer. The two of them then set up home not far from Sudbury Prison, in the Beresford Arms Hotel, in Ashbourne, where they worked as managers. Barwell – still supposedly a prisoner – regularly slept in the hotel for up to three nights at a time, drew a salary of £10,400 a year, bought a car for himself and, according to Home Office sources, was disciplined for parking in the governor’s reserved space on one of his occasional visits back to the prison. A year later, Margaret was pregnant with his son. The Prison Service now say that they were aware of all his activities, which broke no rules and were explicitly approved as part of his resettlement programme.
Detectives want to question Barwell about a number of unsolved rapes which were committed in the area during his time in Sudbury. On June 19 1995, seven and a half years after his arrest, Barwell was released on parole. Five weeks later, at around midday on July 26, he pounced on a 22-year-old student as she went to get into her car in a multi-storey carpark in the middle of Leeds. He tied her up, smeared superglue over her eyes and drove her off to a remote spot where he started cutting off her clothing. She fought with him and he abandoned the attempt to rape her, leaving her tied up in her car.
West Yorkshire police made more errors. A passer-by who found the victim in her car made notes of what she said, but the police lost them. An ambulance officer also made notes of what she said but destroyed them several months later when police failed to ask for a statement. A detective inspector from Notts contacted them to suggest that the abduction of this student could be linked to the abduction of the 23-year-old woman from the multi-storey car park in Nottingham. West Yorks detectives, in the words of one police source, “told him to fuck off”. However, despite the errors, this time, they also made a breakthrough.
Struggling with his victim, Barwell had cut himself and left a trace of his blood in the car. Searching through her handbag, he had left a finger print on an envelope. In January 1996, forensic scientists in Wetherby matched the DNA in the blood sample from the car in Leeds with the DNA in semen taken from the Nottingham victim. Now, at last, police from the two forces began to work together in what became Operation Lynx. Reviewing the records of unsolved rapes, they made links to the rapist’s behaviour in three of the earlier attacks, one of them in Leicestershire, whose detectives now also joined the inquiry.
They knew their best leads were the blood and the fingerprint they had found. Offender profilers suggested they were likely be dealing with a known sex offender. The pattern of offences suggested he was linked to Leeds. They took saliva samples for DNA comparison from 2,177 suspects – but Barwell had no history of sex offences. They ran the fingerprint through the Automatic Fingerprint Recognition system. Barwell’s prints were in there, but they found no match because the print they were working with was only partial. They decided to order a manual search, a potentially enormous exercise. To narrow the field, they turned once again to offender profilers and hit a new problem. Possibly inspired by the errors of the Yorkshire Ripper inquiry, where the entire hunt had been pushed off course by misleading tapes and letters, Barwell had deliberately left false clues as to his background.
He had spoken in a strong Scottish accent, although his real accent is Yorkshire. He had cursed his wife as ‘a blonde bitch’, although she was dark. He had referred to his Catholicism, when he was brought up a Protestant, and he had crashed car gears and driven erratically, even though he was a professional driver. The immediate result was that detectives asked the fingerprint labs to check through the records of Scottish men with links to Leeds. They found nothing. Then they searched through all men with links to Leeds who had criminal records for stealing cars. There were thousands of them.
While that search ground on, Lynx officers made another appeal on Crimewatch and linked two more rapes and the murder of Shani Warren, bringing South Yorkshire and Thames Valley into the operation. This was now a very big inquiry involving 180 officers from five forces. Apart from the 2,177 suspects whose saliva was tested, a further 9,945 were checked and excluded. Detectives raised 24,324 actions and entered 33,628 names (‘nominals’) on their computer system, more than in any other inquiry in the history of British policing. And on March 19 1998, after 940 hours of sifting manually through more than 7,000 prints, a specialist in Leeds came up with a name: Clive Barwell. He was arrested the next day.
Barwell turned out to be a very ordinary man: father a delivery driver; mother a cleaner and bar woman; the second of five children; truanted and did badly at school; a record of petty crime since he was eleven; good at swimming and running. If there were clues to his disposition, they lay in childhood incidents – father reportedly beating mother in front of the children and recruiting the 12-year-old Clive to keep guard on her, the mother walking out with the children but leaving Clive behind with the father, Clive stealing money from her to punish her and being beaten by her when she found out. He had been married three times, and although he had shown some signs of violence, none of his wives had suspected his true nature.
Now, he starts his life sentence, leaving police once more to review the errors of their ways. While he was waiting for his trial, the woman he tried to burn to death in Nottingham gave birth to a child. She says it marks the end of one chapter and the beginning of a new one in her life.

It doesn't mention in this article but the knot used to tie Shani's hands behind her back, is a knot commonly used by lorry drivers. The area where Shani's car (and close to where her body) was found, is a dead end road, popular with lorry drivers, as a place to park up and sleep. That coupled with the fact he was in the vicinity of Shani's last known location (delivering car parts), are the reasons the police suspect he is the killer.
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2019.09.27 14:18 Nation_Of_Moose [Race Report] A Small Team's Large Victory - Equinox 24 (Runnit EU Meetup)

Pre-amble

This is my own account of a team event, and part of a wider Runnit meetup. I’m sure you’ve seen a lot of race reports recently relating to this event, but a meeting of Runnit members is something noteworthy and I hope you find the time to read through, and then join us on the meetup subreddit and possibly join us at the next race.
I need to say thank you to all of the group for pulling us together – it took over 12 months to plan this out. We also had members who provided baked goods that were incredible, and support that kept all of us going!
As mentioned, this is my account. The team have added their further thoughts at the end, and I'm sure we'll be in the comments too! So finally, thank you to the team, for what ended up being something quite special…

Race Information

Goals

Goal Description Completed?
1 Meeting fellow Runnit members Yes
2 No major issues as a team Yes
Stretch goal Place well Yes
Double Stretch goal Win Yes

The what

Meeting strangers off the internet generally isn’t advised – especially not ones willing to don questionable shirts and split shorts to run a 10k-loop for 24 hours. But just this once things turned out alright, alright may even be an understatement.
Well over a year ago the call went out on /Running. Us Europeans were not satisfied that the Americans amongst us got to meet up and go run so far away, and so we decided we’d do our own thing. Plans started to form, races were shortlisted and runners joined the fold, until eventually Equinox 24 was settled on as the event for us all to gather at. Equinox 24 is a 24 hour race, on a 10km looped course. A mix of clear and smooth asphalt, and truly awful rutted grass and dirt, as well as a 15% gradient hill thrown into the mix.

The team

Our team consisted of; brothers Tom and Marc from Germany, Wouter and Bauke from the Netherlands, and myself - Owain – from the UK. We all came together, as between us we did not fancy running solo, instead wanting to be in a team that would be able to push all race long, motivate and take care of each other, and hopefully have some fun.

The build up

After meeting at Heathrow airport on Friday morning, we all travelled up to Leicestershire, with a sightseeing trip to a Tesco Extra in Peterborough for supplies. Tents were pitched, and a sighting lap by the squad confirmed that this wouldn’t just be a case of following your garmin to hold a consistent pace over a groomed 10k lap, but instead serious thought would need to be applied to efforts given at various points of the lap. Go out too fast in the first few kilometres and you’d hit the climbs in a bad way, or send it down one of the very steep descents and your quads would be gone by lap 5. Consideration was also given to shoe choice. Go for a road shoe to take advantage of the road sections, but potentially be in trouble on the grass sections up and down hills, or wear a trail shoe but lose some turnover speed on the roads. Whichever shoe we wore still wouldn’t nullify the effect of the ruts and holes in the grass sections, even on this sighting lap it felt like we had to work to keep a very gradual pace up – how would this affect lap times as the race wore on, and would anyone succumb to injures from the changing surfaces?
We hit the hay and tried to get as much sleep as possible. Race day dawned to everyone having woken up at various points getting cold in their tents. Wrapped up in the early morning sun we donned our team attire – Primark’s finest shirts. In the early laps we all wore these high-quality performance garments, allowing easy identification on course for our competitors, but also offering an easier task of the handover at the end of each lap.

The plan

Tactics needed to be considered. We were entered in the Small Team category, allowing up to 5 runners. We only had 4, as Wouter had run in to unforeseen circumstances and couldn’t be there in person – he stayed with us in spirit and through regular encouragement on WhatsApp. To that effect, we were telling the other assembled Runnit members that 28 total laps (7 each) would be a target. Tom had put together a very detailed and incredibly useful spreadsheet with a lap order, and ability to track rest time and predicted total laps. Whilst it slightly varied between each runner, the general plan called for 3 runners to be running in order, with the 4th on a longer rest period, anywhere between 3-5 hours. Runners in the rotation would have 80-90 minutes recovery between laps. At handovers we’d bring bottles, coats and any other small items the live runner required, and thanks to Tom’s detailed spreadsheet that was kept up-to-date we knew with quite some accuracy when to make the 50m walk from our campsite to the handover area. The final kilometre of course took in a lap of most of the campsite, once again on terribly rutted grass, before heading straight through the middle of the campsite to the start/finish area. This included what amounted to a pit-lane, where handovers occurred for pairs, small and large teams. Runners would exchange a wrist band to identify that they were the team member running a live lap. Later in the race an incredibly helpful timing board was put up in this area, and a timing mat at 800m would give us a few minutes warning of a teammate arriving for a handover. However early in the race the shirts allowed us 20 seconds to prepare.

The race (hours 0-7)

Tom would be our first runner on the course, not only due to him taking the lead in the forming of the team but also because he was our fastest member – having been crowned municipal 10k champion the week prior. Assembled for the race briefing we clearly announced our presence in the shirts, whilst other runners warmed up (a 10k race would set off at the same time, adding a number of faster runners up front to push the pace on lap 1) we posed for photos.
As the race kicked off Tom settled in up front, whilst the rest of the team sent him off with a chorus of cowbells, kazoos and a slightly aggressive “Achtung”. A routine was quickly settled in to – that of trying to take care of our own individual needs when not running. Whilst we hadn’t yet run a lap, we still needed to be ready to go; drinking water, eating the copious snacks pooled by the Runnit members or heading to the portaloos. We also started to experience the feeling of wonder at what our live runner was doing. Especially in this early phase of the race we knew things would be tight, but also that a 2-minute deficit after a lap would end up being an hour by races end. Tom had to balance that equation too, and output it into a running effort that would allow him to continue to put down fast laps as we’d be relying on him for a turn of speed, and as the race evolved he’d become something of a buzz-saw to the other teams – whenever we’d lose time Tom would be back out on course putting in some incredible work to stifle any chance of closing in on our lead.
Half an hour later we again assembled at the handover area, and along with everyone else turned our eyes towards the 500m straight through the middle of camp that would end a lap. I’m reminded somewhat of this scene in the film Le Mans – no one knowing what to expect, waiting in an odd stillness that would not return again for 24 hours, whilst the runners on track were in a real battle already.
As a few leading runners trickled in, along with a couple of our rival small teams, anticipation grew. Moments later we could pick out the shirt, and then Tom. Bauke readied for the handover, and just like that he was away on his own adventure out on course. I was up next, so again back to camp whilst trying to absorb as much information about the course as possible from Tom, his opinion being that it was not worth trying to run “That Hill”, and that a good pace was hard to keep up on the rougher grass sections. 30-minutes later we were back in the handover zone, this time eyes peeled for Bauke. Another swift handover and I was out on the course. By this point we were starting to encounter runners only on their second laps (be that team, pair or solo runners), and so I took to the course and immediately begun to navigate my way through these runners. As the race ploughed on this would become a factor for everyone, but at this point I’ll happily admit that this caused me to push the pace a little too much.
The early morning shivers had been replaced by what amounted to notably warm weather, especially for a September. So not only was I pushing the pace a little too much for hour 1.5 of a 24-hour race, and not only was I wearing a baggy shirt instead of something with even the slightest cooling technology, but it was hot – and the sunburn in the finish photos shows the damage from that lap! All that said, the lap progressed and despite dipping in to the red a little too much, I still felt that it was a reasonable effort for that point in the race. Going was tough on the grass, and I already knew this would get frustrating later in the race on tired legs, but the boost that is constantly overtaking runners kept me pushing for the lap.
I finished the lap and handed over to Marc, and whilst some teams seemed to run in to issues finding their next runner in the pit-lane, I had no issue spotting Marc towering above everyone else in a flamingo shirt. As struck out on his first lap, I learnt that at that point we were right in the mix at the front of the race – 2nd overall and in the small team category, and not in the plan! Marc finished his first lap, and after a run through the order we were holding firm to 2nd overall.
We started to get in to the proper runner rotation, with Bauke heading out again before a longer break. He returned with the lead, in the small team category and overall. This really wasn’t in the plan – we’d all assumed that we’d be in the hunt, but that we wouldn’t be seeing the front of the field until later in the race where we hoped being consistent and not losing meaningless time would move us up the order. Instead we were at the sharp end at that feeling of not knowing where the chasing teams were set in. Bauke headed off to rest whilst the rest of the team set off on our next few laps. Just after 6pm as I was in the last few hundred metres of a lap another green-numbered small-team runner passed by at full tilt, but it wasn’t until I’d handed over to Tom and had a look at the timing boards that I realised that I’d lost the lead in those last few metres. Whilst it was early in the race, and our buzz-saw Tom was on course (and at this point already back in front), I felt awful to give up the lead. Having one less runner had meant that we were already going to need to do more laps and so we had to factor this in, but I was frustrated nonetheless.
Tom returned and Marc set off in the last few minutes of daylight, the lead returned. As darkness set in only a few seconds separated us from our competitors and we knew we’d have a long night ahead.

The race (hours 7-18)

Now completely dark, Tom swapped out for Bauke, and should have been resting – although I am certain he was awake the whole time regardless.
The overall impression of the nightime laps were that they ended up being slightly slower due to the tough going made harder by torchlight. On occasion we’d also be blinded by runners coming the opposite way with torches pointing upwards, and the night seemed to subtly bring solo runners into packs of runners, meaning that we’d have to navigate around groups of runners. I’ll admit that at times it was frustrating to have to almost stop to go around groups walking 5-7 runners wide, but we also accepted that this was the price of being at the sharp end, and the teams chasing us kept us motivated.
By 11pm I’d finished my longer shift, 5 laps so far. I was toasted by the end, having gone from the warm day-time temps to a cool night with achy legs. We were all struggling to eat enough between laps, the 80-90 minutes not being nearly enough to eat and digest food. I’d noticed that some of the other Runnit solo runners, as well as Bauke, had eaten a big portion of food from the various food vans but had seemingly struggled to sleep soon after. Knowing that sleep was what I needed most I opted for a pot of granola, rather than a heavy portion of noodles that’d stop me sleeping.
After conking out for a few hours I woke up feeling far more refreshed than I’d expected, and awoke to hear an update – the lead remained intact and had grown slightly. However, Marc was starting to struggle as his longer shift had finished, also struggling to eat between laps. With my break ending he could try to get some sleep, and at the start of my next lap at 4am we had close to a 40-minute lead. The rotation continued, with Bauke eventually heading off on a break just before sunrise, but in that final lap he passed our nearest rivals to put a whole lap on them. Even given the early hour this came as somewhat of a shock with a bit of elation thrown in. Personally, I run slightly pessimistic, and so did not want to get content at our predicament – my thought was that maybe the other teams had allowed their faster runners to rest overnight and we’d have 6-hours of watching our lead get torn apart, unable to respond.
As with any 24-hour (or longer) race, the night is far far tougher than the daytime, with a mental fatigue occurring for everyone, bought on by the simple fact that your world is reduced to whatever is touched by torch-light. For me it felt like we entered a period of not seeing, but sensing that we were being chased. As it turned out we were able to navigate this with no mistakes, no major damage and seemingly in a better position than the other teams.

The race (hours 18-24)

As headtorches were no longer needed we could see the other runners properly – including the chasing teams. They looked as bad as we felt, but we had a lead and the shock was moving toward elation as the morning progressed. The 2nd place small team hovered close to us, but a lap behind as the music on the campsite started up at 7am, with one of their faster runners passing me right at the end of the lap before Tom caught and re-lapped them for the final time, this would be all we saw of any other teams as we grew our lead further and further. We continued to put in consistent laps, with Marc re-joining the rotation for a final couple of laps. Our only real mistake occured here (further fraying my nervers) with Marc forgetting his race number on his first lap post-break. Tom and I had turned to return to camp and were suprised to have him run by us to get his number, along with the live runner wrist band - I was still wearing my number and could have gone myself, but Marc was already halfway to camp!
The number crisis averted, our attention turned to the order of the final laps, and who’d head out for the last lap. The format at Equinox allows any lap started before midday on the Sunday to be completed, even one started at 11:59:59am. Tom’s master plan document suggested we’d have somewhere between 5-10 minutes to start this lap. A brief thought crossed my mind of just stopping 50m short and waiting for the clock to run down, we had the time buffer from the work put in overnight. But this would not reflect the effort that had gone in to the race – and the obvious answer was a tired Tom heading out to finish the race off.
Bands of heavy rain had also moved in, I tip-toed around the course on my 8th and final lap through heavy rain, having an absolute blast. Bauke put in another fast lap to finish his 8 off, and Marc ran with the intention of getting back in time to make Tom run the last lap, as Marc ran up the finishing straight, soaking wet in a flamingo top I think we all knew that barring something incredibly bad besetting Tom, that we’d won. Bauke drank a beer that immediately went to his head, and we all alternated between packing our gear (flights had to be caught that afternoon) and standing around wondering what we’d just pulled off. We’d known that running consistently and minimising mistakes would put us in a position to come away with something, but we didn’t expect to be running from the front for 18-hours, and we didn’t expect to have grown that lead so much.
The course had closed at this point, and so we awaited Tom to join him on the last few metres, whilst cheering in the other runners who’d also achieved something incredible. Eventually Tom jogged in to view, and we all joined him in crossing the line – our race finished.

Post-race

We once again went back to alternating between packing to catch flights, whilst also lapsing into an odd elation. Further celebrations with the rest of the Runnit members occurred, we’d all achieved something incredible, on the track and off the track in bringing the group together.
We’d ended up running 33 laps (330km/205 miles), not made any mistakes, and built a solid bond as a team. We’d also approached the event knowing how tough it would be, and that we couldn’t cruise at any point, whilst also being able to run at that pace without having the wheels completely fall off. Our slowest lap was 50-minutes, and we averaged exactly 45 minutes per-lap, given 12 hours of darkness and the course itself, plus the 50 miles run by each of us this to me is something to be enormously proud of. Personally, this was a truly special weekend – what will probably be the end of my racing year, and an event that transcended being just another race into something I’ll never forget.

Official results

Overall
Team splits
I'd also like to note that Bauke, from the climbing hotbed that is the Netherlands, was our fastest team member up "That Hill" - a 15% gradient grass hill mid-lap that took the fastest runners over a minute to climb, and was individually timed.

What next

There will be another Runnit European meetup. As yet it's not decided where or when. Please do join us on the subreddit to get involved - at this point it'll seem a long way off but I can only say good things about meeting fellow members and sharing an incredible experience!

Tom's thoughts

For training, I did Pete Pfitzinger up to 100 mile Half Marathon plan out of “faster road racing”. Maybe a Marathon plan would have been a better choice, but I despise the long runs in those.
Contrary to Owain I found the shirt to be actually quite good at cooling. At least for me, the buttons in the front still let a lot of air in and when the wind picked up it was almost cold.
From around lap 4 or 5 onwards, the legs just felt numb and squishy. Occasionally there was a sign of cramping on the backside of my left quad and it only came close once when a girl suddenly put her leg back to stretch in the exchange zone and I had to jump over it.
For some reason, I got quite painful side stitches in Lap 7, which forced me to walk twice. We probably lost 1 minute because of it, but at that point, it didn’t really matter anyway as long as I didn’t have to walk all the way.
I wasn’t a fan of lap 9, but the biggest issue with lap 9 was not that I had to run it, rather that I had to wait 80-90 minutes for it. Just going out for one more lap on a whim is, I think, a lot easier than mentally preparing 90min for one.
Overall I expected to dislike the course a lot more, but the first 4k always just flew by really quickly and after that, you are occupied by the more challenging terrain. Maybe kilometer 9 and to a certain degree 10 drag on a bit, but you are so close to the finish that it isn’t much of a problem. Though in general, I find a 10k lap just too long for such an event.
Conclusion Time: Loved the people, loved all the food. Would I do it again? Maybe in a couple of years, I’m just too big of a fan of shorter races. Something like a Ragnar relay I would do in a heartbeat.

Bauke's thoughts

The team ended up being great. It seemed like we were all out there to have fun and run hard but not take ourselves too seriously (in strong contrast to some of the other teams we were running against). This alone would have made the weekend a lot of fun.
For me, what really made the weekend go from fun to a great weekend was meeting everyone from the entire meet up and how we became a close group even though we were all internet strangers and everyone was running their own race. Especially at night, this is what kept me going and motivated. Some of the specifics of that long night that stick in my mind.
All in all, awesome weekend. Can’t wait until the next one.

Extra photos

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2019.09.25 00:46 boom_meringue The first inaugural UK r/running Reddit ultra party - Equinox 24 2019

Race Information

Goals

Goal Description Completed?
A 5 laps Yes
B 7 laps No
C Have fun Yes

Splits

Lap Time
1 1:15
2 1:13
3 1:15
4 1:24
5 1:49
6 1:52

Training

This bit will be short, basically I thought it would be a really awesome idea to run a 24 hour ultra without training, no really, I did.
Well, thats not strictly true; a combination of illness, ripping an achilles and a quite awful bout of depression came together to make this one of my least impressive years for some time. Prior to the event I had wracked up a total of 426 kms for the year. Pretty poor to be honest and left me with low expectations. I did do the Continental Thunder run a couple of months ago as part of a team and managed 4 laps before I gave up with a slightly twisted ankle, so my sights for Equinox were not set particularly high.

Getting there

I have spent the year working away from home so my trip started at lunchtime on Friday in the badlands of Wales, so after fighting through traffic for nearly 3 hours to get home for the first time in a week, I picked my daughter up from school, packed the car and said goodbye to the family.
Now getting to Leicestershire from the south west means navigating round Birmingham, or as we call it, the 7th circle of hell.
I made it to the event location a little after sunset on the Friday evening and with not a small amount of trepidation, managed to fine 20 random internet strangers who for all I knew, could be Fred West's cousins.
I shouldn't have worried, u/Percinho bounded up like Tigger on ecstacy and helped me put my tent up, with an extra set of hands provided by u/nthai

Friday night

Many handshakes, introductions and food trips later, we settled down to get some rest for the following days adventure. To my delight, we were serenaded by what sounded like a drunk hen party until about 11.30; i'll be honest, I was getting a bit tired and teasy by this point and would have quite gladly punched them all in the throats.
After a few hours sleep we were woken up by geese, giving it loads as the took off from the lake in the next valley and later by hounds. I guess we were in their back yard so I can forgive the intrusion to my beauty sleep.

Lap 1

The almost electric feeling as we all set off settled into a steady trot as we found our feet on the first lap. It was fairly busy and it took a while to get through some of the tighter points of the course with us all together, and I spent the first lap running with u/richieclare ; we got round quite nicely and I stopped for a quick drink as he carried on his second lap.

Lap 2

I strapped on some sounds and was carried round by the power of Iron Maiden, AC/DC and Dubstep. The course is beautiful even though it does include a complete arse of a hill, completing a lap truly solo was quite a nice experience at this point as it meant I could spend time contemplating life as well as occasional periods chatting with random strangers who were of a similar pace.
I finished lap 2 and went for a couple of hours rest, changed my clothes and ate

Lap 3

Just as I was ready to head out for laps 3&4 u/bists and u/Percinho were ready to go so we set off and after u/bists left us during a walk spell, u/Percinho and I shared lap 3 swapping stories of family, struggles and life in general as we ran/walked. This was emotional and is my favourite 90 minutes of the weekend, not something I will forget for a long time.

Lap 4 - Sunset lap

u/Percinho handed over the duo baton to Mrs P so I got to have some pleasant company for lap 4 with a really good 4:30/1:30 Run/Walk pattern which turned out to be a hugely efficient way of attacking the course. The sun went down during this lap, which was truly stunning.
I was knackered and starting to ache at this point so I got some food, had a power nap and prepared for the group party lap later on

Lap 5 - The nightime party lap

At 10.30 u/Percinho u/TheNarrowWizard u/Aysandra u/nthai u/RFXN u/Squeegy_Beckenheim u/A35chylu5 Mark and I set off with u/TheNarrowWizard providing the sometimes dodgy run-themed soundtrack. We walked this lap as a group and it was great fun, a perfect way to end the day.

Overnight

I guess we got back into camp at about 00:30 and collapsed into our tents, vowing to be up at 6 for a sunrise lap. I was deeply impressed that the hen party decided not to offer a repeat of Friday nights performance, although I guess sticking my tent 5 feet away from the course was never going to be the quietest place on the site.

Lap 6 - Sunrise lap

The usual suspects from the previous nights party lap got up at 6 for a sunrise lap and we went out to greet the day. We walked this lap too and it was epic, including u/Aysandra showing us that the most effective way to get down a hill is to throw out some dance moves!

Afterwards

Just as we got in from the sunrise lap, it started to rain and after my experience at Thunder run earlier this year, I didn't fancy ending the weekend on a miserable note and potentially breaking myself. I had gone further than I expected to, with less pain or injury than I thought possible, so I decided to call it a day and spent the rest of the event offing what support I could to the unbelievably inspiring small team of u/SpeedWorkIsBae, u/Nation_of_Moose, u/Xceteras and speedworkisbae's brother who were blazing round the course - I don't think I have ever seen anything like this and they most deservedly won the small team category. These guys were the first small team ever to win with only 4 runners; usually the small team winners have 5 runners so each one is under less pressure.
A significant thumbs up must go to u/Percinho and Mrs P who were in 27th place in the duos and u/nthai who finished 17th overall in the solos with an amazing 15 laps; the guy is a total machine.

Getting back to the real world

Unfortunately after all this fun and frolics, we had to go our separate ways, so after changing a punctured tyre on the way out, I braved the horrors of the UK motorway system back to Gloucester. I managed to get through the weekend remarkably unscathed, other than a rather embarrassing bout of nappy rash where my running belt has rubbed across my rather lardy belly. After a bit of foam rolling and stretching, I can navigate stairs again and function as an almost normal human.
There are some people I havent mentioned here, u/hitman_cat u/voltajontra u/RideRunner u/VandalsStoleMyHandle who all added to the atmosphere but I didn't really get the chance to spend any time chatting to over the weekend. This weekend wouldn't have been the same without you all. Apologies to anyone I have missed.
This whole thing blew me away; it exceeded my expectations on so many levels, that 20 or so complete strangers could come together, go camping and achieve such amazing success in such a harmonious atmosphere, I would have never thought impossible. You were genuinely awesome.
Edit to add links to all of the other E24 write ups:
RideRunner
Bists
Percinho
hitman_cat
nation_of_moose
Aysandra
RichieClare
TheNarrowWizard
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2019.06.16 04:37 holmes5926 [For sale, UK] Tiranti Centricast Centrifugal Spin Caster

[For sale, UK] Tiranti Centricast Centrifugal Spin Caster
I no longer have a need for this caster hence my (slightly reluctant) sale! Owing to their longevity, reliability and popularity these rarely surface for sale, owners also tend to keep a hold of them for many years so 2nd hand supply is limited.
For the benefit of my casters new owner I have removed all usual pewteresin spills, cleaned her up inside and out, lubricated all moving parts, removed some light rust from the side vents (see pictures), and replaced the dated original fabric power cable with a new and trusty 2 metre flexi-cable.
Other than the old rust to the top of the lid it is in superb condition for it’s age which may be 10+ years now but that really isn’t old at all - the manufacturer recently commented on being asked to first service a machine that was 30 years old despite regular use!
Note that the rust to the lid is minor, not recent, and does not affect it’s operation nor safe use. It could easily be painted over with a fresh lick of paint if you fancied doing so.
The spinning hub accelerates and decelerates through the variable speed smoothly and the safety brake engages swiftly when the lid is lifted during operation, exactly as it should. I can send a video demo of operation.
I haven’t aren’t any mould plates included however 7”/10” plates can be purchased from tiranti.co.uk. I do have the original instructions that advise quite thoroughly on how to make effective moulds as well as the really simple use of the machine.
Happy to send by courier for an extra £20 including insurance, otherwise collection can be arranged from Broughton Astley, Leicestershire (not far from either M1 J20/J21).
Looking for £600 or very near offers. These are extraordinary machines, in high demand, last for years and years, require nil servicing beyond keeping them tidy, so 2nd hand doesn’t really mean anything at all. Brand new these are £1,000 plus shipping.

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2018.06.25 06:00 iminterestingplease Part 31

5620.(Famous Author name change.)Hans Christians Andersen/Hans Christian Andersen(Other spellings?)(Was Andersen never an acceptable spelling of Anderson?)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Christian_Andersen
Add-On: Do you remember the plural for ox being ox instead of oxen?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ox
Add-On: Do you remember Fresh Prince Of Bel-Air?(Other names without "The"?)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fresh_Prince_of_Bel-Air
Add-On: Do you remember Christ The Redeemer not being white?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ_the_Redeemer_(statue)
Add-On: Do you remember the torch of the Statue Of Liberty not being as visible as it is now?(Was Liberty Enlightening The World not a thing?)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Liberty
Add-On: Do you remember words like "Someone's", and "Somebody's" not making sense grammatically?
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/someone%27s
5621.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember these things being different or not a thing?(Size of the earth, tons of new species and blue coated things, pyramids popping up and tons of new statues, iconic Shakespeare portrait and he never spelled his name consistent and he had a girl help him.)(Videos below.)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P-tviKjhL_U
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=50bXXIhKfAY
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xIzuXlXhTes
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vzBbhIHEwEU
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=spCHztl6mqI
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GWH2KDnT1lc
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QEC-S8bGbiI
Add-On: Do you remember Lord Of The Rings instead of The Lord Of The Rings?(Does the logo look off?)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lord_of_the_Rings_(film_series)
Add-On: Do you remember Pop-Tarts Splits instead of Pop-Tarts Splitz?(Flips pretzels/Flipz pretzels)
https://www.delish.com/food-news/amp19703852/pop-tarts-splitz-return-new-flavors/
5622.(YouTube Channel name change.)Ninja981/NInja981(My own channel.)
https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCVrotrW0xQYqj16lQ3Tsjiw
5623.(History change.)Do you remember Alexander Hamilton killing Aaron Burr in the famous duo instead of Hamilton missing, getting shot himself, and dying the next day?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burr–Hamilton_duel
5624.(Famous Actress name change.)Chloe Grace Moretz/Chloë Grace Moretz
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chloë_Grace_Moretz
5625.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember the Nirvana Unplugged set having white candles instead of black candles?(Anything else off?)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTV_Unplugged_in_New_York
5626.(Music Lyrics change.)"Waiting for June."/"Playing her tune."(Any of the other lyrics off?)
https://genius.com/The-isley-brothers-summer-breeze-lyrics
Add-On: Do you remember Mickey Mouse never having blue eyes?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6FiOz_hWbq8
5627.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember Albert Flores retiring a year ago instead of this year?
https://m.mysanantonio.com/entertainment/movies-tv/article/San-Antonio-weather-TV-vet-Albert-Flores-exits-12474088.php
5628.(Song Title change.)These Boots Were Made For Walking/These Boots Are Made For Walkin'(Any of the lyrics off?)(Anything else off?)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/These_Boots_Are_Made_for_Walkin%27
5629.(Company Logo change.)Do you remember the letters in Gracie Films not being connected?(Does the pitch of the song sound off?)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gracie_Films
Add-On: Do you remember Antarctica not having a huge gap of ice?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctica
Add-On: Do you remember Ed, Edd N Eddie?(Other titles?)(No comma?)(Was Eddy not an acceptable spelling of Eddie?)(Was the N capitalized?)(Were the letters not connected?)(Anything else off?)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed,_Edd_n_Eddy
Add-On: Do you remember godess instead of goddess?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goddess
5630.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember certain big cats not being able to purr and meow?
https://www.wildcatsanctuary.org/do-big-cats-roar-or-pur
Add-On: Do you remember DramAlert instead of DramaAlert?(Anything else off?)(MaNamedCorn/ManNamedCorn(Anything else off?)
https://m.youtube.com/useManNamedCorn
5631.(Celebrity death that didn't happen.)Do you remember George H.W. Bush dying?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H._W._Bush
5632.(Date change.)Do you remember the Sandy Hook incident happening in 2014-2015 instead of December 14, 2012?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting
Add-On: Do you remember the Duck Family not having blue eyes?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_family_(Disney)
5633.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember flash flooding in deserts not being a thing?
https://adventure.howstuffworks.com/survival/wilderness/desert-survival7.htm
5634.(Date change.)Do you remember the Santiago De Compostela derailment happening in 2015-2016 instead of July 24, 2013?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santiago_de_Compostela_derailment
5635.(Phantom t.v. show quote.)Do you remember Mr. Bill saying "Oh no!" instead of just yelling?(Other quotes?)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8WO6_IiZ_WI
5636.(Spelling change.)Caligraphy/Calligraphy
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calligraphy
5637.(Spelling change.)Cuthroat/Cutthroat
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cutthroat
5638.(T.V. Show name change.)Ren & Stimpy/The Ren & Stimpy Show(Other names?)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ren_%26_Stimpy_Show
5639.(T.V. Show name change.)The Martin Lawrence Show/Martin(Other names?)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_(TV_series)
5640.(Movie name change.)A View To Kill/A View To A Kill(Do you remember Timothy Dalton starring in the movie instead of Roger Moore?)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_View_to_a_Kill
5641.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember there not being crystals in volcanoes?(Were they not found in human brains?)
http://theconversation.com/volcano-crystals-could-make-it-easier-to-predict-eruptions-90558
5642.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember these things being different or not a thing?(Super volcano under Vermont, Massachusetts and New Hampshire, hieratic Egyptian script and other new Egyptian writings, Sphinx ears changed again, Antarctica not showing up on maps and getting even smaller, coyotes sound similar to hyenas now and there is a weird common mispronunciation along with salmon and salmonella too, pinkies angle outwards, huge change in pupil size in hunting cats, persisting lightning, sea lice, eclipse winds, new nose movements, Taos hum now all over the world, gold nanoparticles in plants, Al-Hijr stone carved buildings, viviparous germination and other viviparous stuff, phyllody, spotted horses, history of dead sea scrolls, 1899 100 km/hr electric car, 2 legged calf walks upright, giant snails eat Stucco, USA bought Alaska from Russia, more changes to Mount Rushmore and Land O' Lakes and The Creation Of Adam and The Last Supper, flocks of bald eagles and some don't have white heads and the beaks are off, duck eyes are off in many ways, ecoducts, seagull colors, wing and feather changes, more animal diet changes, middle ages people thought earth wasn't flat.)(Video below.)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6n3X5gM1kFs
Add-On: Do you remember the letters in abbreviations for television channels always being capitalized?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_channel
5643.(Fictional Character appearance change.)Do you remember Chip and Dale from Chip And Dale being the same color?(Were they not known as Chip 'N' Dale and Chip An' Dale?)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chip_'n'_Dale
Add-On: Do you remember Google buying YouTube in 2010-2015 instead of November 13, 2006?
https://www.theringer.com/2016/10/10/16042354/google-youtube-acquisition-10-years-tech-deals-69fdbe1c8a06
Add-On: Do you remember the L on Waluigi's hat being inverted horizontal and vertical instead of just horizontal?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waluigi
5644.(Date change.)Do you remember Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom being released months ago?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurassic_World:_Fallen_Kingdom
Add-On: Do you remember the letters in Investigation Discovery being normal?(Were the letters in Go not connected?)
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/investigation-discovery-go/id1101436941?mt=8
5645.(Music Lyrics change.)"Make sure to raise your children right."/"Please try to raise your children right."
https://genius.com/The-highwaymen-live-forever-acoustic-demo-lyrics
5646.(Video Game Logo change.)Do you remember the letters in Dirty Harry not being connected?(Do any of the letters look off?)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_Harry_(1990_video_game)
5647.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember hearing "Sex In The City" instead of "Sex And The City" in '03 Bonnie And Clyde?(Can you hear either one you want?)
https://genius.com/Jay-z-03-bonnie-and-clyde-lyrics
5648.(Celebrity death that didn't happen.)Do you remember Clive James dying?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clive_James
5649.(Celebrity death that didn't happen.)Do you remember Barry Humphries dying?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Humphries
Add-On: Do you remember Machu Picchu not having as many stairways as it does now?(Was it more simple in terms of all the buildings and other things it has?)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machu_Picchu
5650.(New species.)Have you heard of the Yellow Cardinal?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_cardinal
Add-On: Do you remember Agent Smith saying "Mr. Anderson, we've been expecting you." in The Matrix?
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20160724151452AAQyWPa
Add-On: Do you remember the bats in the Scooby-Doo Where Are You theme song coming from a different direction?(Anything else off?)(Were there not two versions of the theme song?)(Did The New Scooby-Doo Movies, The Scooby-Doo Show, Scooby-Doo And Scrappy Doo(1979), Scooby-Doo And Scrappy Doo(1980-1982), The New Scooby-Doo And Scrappy Doo Show, The 13 Ghosts Of Scooby-Doo, and Shaggy And Scooby-Doo Get A Clue! not exist?)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eZXg6Uaxd2k
5651.(Spelling change.)Carrousel/Carousel(Other spellings?)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carousel
5652.(Famous Creator name change.)Matt Groenig/Matt Groening(Other spellings?)(Is the pronunciation different?)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Groening
Add-On: Do you remember anything about the tank man surviving getting hit by the tank being different such as what happened to him afterward?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1989
Add-On: Do you remember the rules for Monopoly being different than they are now?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/living/2416487/youve-been-playing-monopoly-wrong-your-whole-life-here-are-the-real-rules-just-in-time-for-christmas/
Add-On: Do you remember the Great Pyramid Of Gizah instead of the Great Pyramid Of Giza?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pyramid_of_Giza
Add-On: Do you remember there not being parasites that make humans act zombie-like?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ehAU3yn3Ie8
Add-On: Do you remember the Bearnstain, Bearnstein, Bearenstain, or Bearenstein Bears?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berenstain_Bears
Add-On: Do you remember the back of King Tut's tomb being different?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tutankhamun
5653.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember Jerry Brown not still being governor of California?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Brown
5654.(Movie name change.)Shawshank Redemption/The Shawshank Redemption
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shawshank_Redemption
Add-On: Do you remember Professor Marvel's telling of what he sees to Dorothy and the iconic picture being different?
https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCp0Zw7hJpYPrz8PnLwiTDhQ
Add-On: Do you remember the platypus not being venomous?(Was it not able to kill dogs?)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platypus
5655.(Film Series name change.)Kingsmen/Kingsman
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingsman_(film_series)
5656.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember these things not being edible?(Anything else off?)(Video below.)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u50K68XX4bg
5657.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember sunburn not being able to get as bad as it can now?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunburn
5658.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember there not being evidence of human life before humans existed?
https://www.beyondsciencetv.com/2017/11/29/modern-man-actually-600-million-years-old-according-to-footprint-in-trilobite-fossil/
5659.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember Cupid's Chokehold by Gym Class Heroes being a faster speed?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cupid%27s_Chokehold
5660.(Spelling change.)Miday/Mid-day/Midday
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/midday
Add-On: Do you remember birds not chirping and frogs not croaking as early, late, long, or short as they do now?
https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/chirp
Add-On: Do you remember the tagline for Lucky Charms never being at any point, "They're marshmallowy delicious."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucky_Charms
Add-On: Do you remember Rick from Rick And Morty never having a bald spot?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Sanchez_(Rick_and_Morty)
Add-On: Do you remember fidget spinners and fidget cubes not randomly being a thing?(Did they randomly become popular?)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fidget_spinner
Add-On: Do you remember ice not being as hard to bear as it is now?(Are bare and bear off in how you use them?)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice
5661.(Logo change.)Do you remember the letters in FM being normal?(Were the letters not connected?)(Anything else off?)(FM Radio?)
https://dribbble.com/shots/4300091-FM-Logo-Exploration
5662.(Store Logo change.)Do you remember the letters in Guitar Center being normal?(Anything else off?)
https://www.guitarcenter.com
5663.(Company Logo change.)Do you remember the F in Carfax not being cut on the bottom?(Was the X aligned with the other letters?)(Were the letters in CarMax not connected?)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carfax_(company)
Add-On: Do you remember the letters in the Hotel Transylvania logos not being connected?
http://logos.wikia.com/wiki/Hotel_Transylvania
Add-On: Do you remember the letters in Frank's in Frank's RedHot not being connected?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank's_RedHot
5664.(Spelling change.)Godammit/Goddammit(Other spellings?)(GodaughteGoddaughter)
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/goddammit
Add-On: Do you remember the flame on the Statue Of Liberty not curving as my much and being bigger?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Liberty
Add-On: Do you remember midevil, mideval, midievil, or medevil instead of "medieval"?(Other spellings?)(Is rhythm spelled different?)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Ages
5665.(Fictional Character appearance change.)Do you remember Sylvester from Looney Tunes having a black nose instead of a red nose?(Anything else off?)(Was his catchphrase "Suffering succotash" and not "Sufferin succotash"?)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvester_the_Cat
5666.(Music Lyrics change.)"No I'm just kidding."/"No I'm just playing."
https://genius.com/Meghan-trainor-all-about-that-bass-lyrics
Add-On: Do you remember William Shakespeare never wearing an earring in his paintings?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Shakespeare
5667.(Movie Quote change.)"Looks like I picked the wrong day."/"Looks like I picked the wrong week."(All four instances of the quote.)
http://quotegeek.com/quotes-from-movies/airplane/736/
Add-On: Do you remember the arms of the sunglasses Arnold Schwarzenegger wore in the Terminator movies being larger?(Was there no white glow in the reflection?)(Were the lenses larger and darker?)
http://filmgarb.com/the-terminator-2-sunglasses/
5668.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember Scott Harrison being the first one to make a video on the KitKat change?(Was it someone else?)(Is Brian MacFarlane's channel logo off?)(Is vaultteam6's channel logo off?)(Is scarabperformance's channel logo off?)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iksJjl4aBv0
5669.(Phantom geography.)Do you remember the Bering Sea Triangle not being a thing?
https://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/deadliest-catch/full-episodes/bering-sea-triangle
5670.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember there being more or less mosquitoes in your area in general or during the summer?(Were the bites worse or better?)(Did the bites last longer or not as long?)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosquito
5671.(Geography change.) Do you remember Gettysburg being in Virginia instead of Pennsylvania?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gettysburg,_Pennsylvania
5672.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember motorcycles and dirt bikes not being able to continue moving without someone riding them?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KSVgweZ8BwA
5673.(History change.)Do you remember the famous airplane that got shot down by Soviet forces in 1983 having a different number?(Was it shot down in a different country?)(Was it an Asian country?)(Anything else off?)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_007
5674.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember Positivity not being a word?(I personally do.)
https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/positivity-is-a-word
5675.(Song Title change.)Raindrops Keep Falling On My Head/Raindrops Keep Fallin' On My Head("Raindrops keep falling on my head."/"Raindrops are falling on my head.")(Was the first verse the same as the other verses?)
https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/bjthomas/raindropskeepfallinonmyhead.html
Add-On: Do you remember there not appearing to be a face on the bottom of the Statue Of Liberty torch?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Liberty
5676.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember (How Much Is) That Doggie In The Window being sung by Pat Boone instead of Bob Merrill?(Is the song title off in any version of the song?)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/(How_Much_Is)_That_Doggie_in_the_Window%3F
5677.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember Christian Bale being American instead of British?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Bale
5678.(Cereal Logo change.)Do you remember the letters in All-Bran not being connected?(Was it Brand?)(Was there no dash?)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-Bran
5679.(Soda Logo change.)Shasta Cream Soda/Shasta Creme Soda
https://www.amazon.com/Shasta-Cream-Soda-12-Ounces-Pack/dp/B004DJ1X8M
5680.(Geography change.)Do you remember Laos being an island instead of locked on land?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laos
5681.(Spelling change.)Monsterous/Monstrous
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/monstrous
5682.(Spelling change.)Independant/Independent(Dependant/Dependent)
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/independent
Add-On: Do you remember the National Lampoon's movies not being rated R?
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0085995/
5683.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember the B-Complex being different?(Are certain ones no longer required?)(Are certain ones now required?)(Are there more now?)(Anything else off?)
https://www.uofmhealth.org/health-library/hn-2922005
5684.(Music Lyrics change.)"I have climbed the highest mountains."/"I have climbed highest mountain."(Were other lyrics used here?)(Anything else off?)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Still_Haven%27t_Found_What_I%27m_Looking_For
Add-On: Do you remember the vintage Mickey Mouse never having slits in his eyes?(Anything else off about his black eyes?)(Did Goofy not have yellow eyes?)
http://victordull.com/mickey-mouse-relief/
5685.(Music Lyrics change.)"Well the dawn is coming."/Well the dawn was coming."
https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/jethrotull/teacher.html
Add-On: Do you remember the pronunciation for Chevrolet being different?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet
Add-On: Do you remember Creedence Clear Water Revival, or Creedance Clear Water Revival?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creedence_Clearwater_Revival
Add-On: Do you remember the North Star being the brightest star in the sky?
https://www.skyandtelescope.com/astronomy-resources/brightest-star-sky/
5686.(Geography change.)Do you remember the houses and buildings in Santorini, Greece being different colors than they are now?(Anything else off?)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santorini
Add-On: Do you remember nightime instead of nighttime?
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nighttime
5687.(Music Lyrics change.)"Little Jack Horner sat in the corner eating his pudding pie."/"Little Jack Horner sat in the corner eating his cherry pie."/"Little Jack Horner sat in the corner eating his Christmas pie."(Curds And Rye?)(Curds And Whey?)(Other lyrics?)(Humble?)
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/46973/little-jack-horner-56d2271c5917a
5688.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember these things being different or not a thing?(Poop falling from the sky, new changes to the shape of our galaxy, human distemper virus, even more changes to Mount Rushmore, changes to the Easter Island hats and the statues no longer face the ocean and are more uniform, Fingal's Cave, many different species of zebras, coyotes and Badgers now hunt together, lynx with one blue and one green eye, Wels catfish looks like giant tadpole, New Madrid earthquake, Mississippi ran backwards, Polydactyly people and other animals, 24 back pyramid boxes, earthquake smog, earthquake lights, earthquake booms, sand boils, seismic tar balls, giant shipworms, frog licking, Apis bull, other weird things in Ancient Egypt, koalas getting high is going from true to false and back, Coast To Coast AM logo changed again.(Video below.)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1ntTYQEwQqU
Add-On: Do you remember the I in Lego Classic being normal?
https://www.lego.com/en-us/themes/classic
Add-On: Do you remember Sally Field saying "You love me! You really love me!"(Other quotes with Like or Love?)
https://www.thecut.com/2014/10/explaining-you-like-me-you-really-like-me.html
Add-On: Do you remember certain spiders not being able to fly due to electric fields?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5918477/Electric-fields-atmosphere-secret-spiders-FLY-thousands-miles.html
5689.(Song Title change.)Hello Wall/Hello Walls
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hello_Walls
5690.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember there being a flute in any of the songs on Aqualung?(Anything else off?)(Aqua Lung/Aqualung)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aqualung_(Jethro_Tull_album)
Add-On: Do you remember King Tut's ears not being pierced at all in paintings or his tomb?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tutankhamun
5691.(Movie name change.)Krull The ConqueroKull The Conqueror
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kull_the_Conqueror
5692.(Movie Quote change.)"I'm not that good."/"Good, bad, I'm the one with the gun."(Was the movie not also known as Bruce Campbell Vs. Army Of Darkness?)(Was there a "The" before Army Of Darkness?)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_Darkness
Add-On: Do you remember "Son of a bitch!" being said at the end of The Good, The Bad And The Ugly instead of it cutting off before Bitch was said?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E4ZbKTpcx9c
5693.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember this video from 1888 not existing?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tc-L9_4jGc4
Add-On: Do you remember there not being a solid wall-like structure under the hole in the Pyramid Of Menkaure?(Was the hole less uniform and more ragged?)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QFkzMdguGoY
Add-On: Do you remember Coles, Koles Cohls, Cohl's, Kole's, or Cole's instead of Kohl's?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kohl's
5694.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember the date Ramesses ll's birthday was on being April 22 instead of February 22?(Was his name not spelled two other ways?)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramesses_II
5695.(Fictional Character appearance change.)Do you remember Tom from Tom & Jerry not having yellow eyes?(Did the Pink Panther not have yellow eyes?)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_and_Jerry
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pink_Panther
5696.(Music Lyrics change.)"Don't ever let them change your point of view."/"Don't ever let 'em change your point of view."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Turks_(song)
5697.(Music Lyrics change.)"No man can ever tell."/"No one can ever tell."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forever_Young_(Rod_Stewart_song)
5698.(Song Title change.)Benny And The Jets/Bennie And The Jets(Was there an &?)("Hey kids."/"Hey kid.")(Was the first lyric the same as the others?)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bennie_and_the_Jets
5699.(Fictional Character name change.)James Roddenberry Kirk/James Tiberius Kirk
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_T._Kirk
5700.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember hairless chimpanzees not existing?
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leicestershire-36924808
Add-On: Do you remember Lonegunman instead of Lonegunmaan?
reddit.com/Retconned/
5701.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember the opening for She-Ra being different than it is now?(Does the logo look off?)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wR65P73X5GI
Add-On: Do you remember Banquet Brown And Serve or Brown & Serve?(Wild And Out/Wild & Out/Wild 'N Out)(Lucerne Crunch Ice Cream Bars/Lucerne Krunch Ice Cream Bars)
https://www.banquet.com/links-and-patties/brown-n-serve-original-sausage-links
5702.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember males determining the gender of the offspring?(Were there not specoes of animals that only have one gender?)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvc7eFAe6hs
Add-On: Do you remember Barney Rubble from The Flintstones having white in his eyes instead of all black?(Were his eyes another way?)(Did Wilma Flintstone have white in her eyes instead of all black?)(Were her eyes another way?)(Was Barney The Dinosaur a different shade of purple than he is now?)(Does the Barney & Friends logo look off?)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barney_Rubble
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilma_Flintstone
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barney_%26_Friends
Add-On: Do you remember there not appearing to be another face in the torch of the Statue Of Liberty?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eOR3qGezemQ
5703.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember the distance to the Sirius star system from Earth being different than it is now?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirius
Add-On: Do you remember TeeNick instead of TeenNick?(TeeNick/Teen Nick/TeenNick)(Does the logo look off?)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TeenNick
5704.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember the person narrating this video being a British woman instead of a British man?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hL12nVdfKoI&t=12s
5705.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember these words not existing?(Invective, aforesaid, gaslight, photog.)(Stationery now exists as a spelling of stationary that means something different and duel and dual means something different.)
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/invective
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/aforesaid
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=photog
5706.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember these song lyrics being different or were the songs sung by someone different or do the songs sound different?("That I put down the words."/"That I put down in words.", Electric Light Orchestra never sang Blinded By The Light and Bruce Springsteen's version is no longer the popular version and now Manfred Mann's Earth Band(Manfred Mann or other spellings?)did the popular one, Manfred Mann's Earth Band sang (Quinn The Eskimo) Mighty Quinn(Other names?) now and Bob Dylan's version no longer sounds as good, new songs, improvisations,(Improvization?)and camera angles including a new song by A-Ha and a new band called Accept.)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Your_Song
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blinded_by_the_Light
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quinn_the_Eskimo_(Mighty_Quinn)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Pa9x9fZBtY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmoEoyeITJo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LN21zimLQis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3ir9HC9vYg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnpA7st7_p4
Add-On: Do you remember Wile E. Coyote(Wille E. Coyote?)also falling in the falling scene in Who Framed Roger Rabbit?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wile_E._Coyote_and_the_Road_Runner
5707.(Spelling change.)Gooseling/Goosling/Gosling
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goose
5708.(Movie Scene change.)Do you remember the salt scene in Dumb And Dumber being different?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vt2U8klzIR0
5709.(Music Lyrics change.)"Tell your children not to look my way."/"Tell your children not to walk my way."
https://genius.com/Danzig-mother-lyrics
Add-On: Do you remember a quote similar to, "Welcome to Shawshank. Enjoy your stay." being in The Shawshank Redemption?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shawshank_Redemption
5710.(Movie Quote change.)"My own brother, a goddamn blood-sucking vampire!"/"My own brother, a goddamn shit-sucking vampire!"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lost_Boys
Add-On: Do you remember there not appearing to be something on the arm of the Statue Of Liberty?(Does the eye of the statue look off?)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Liberty
Add-On: Do you remember there not being different insignias on the badges in Star Trek?
http://www.startrek.com/article/starfleet-insignia-explained
5711.(Soccer Player name change.)Lucas Modric/Lucas Modrić/Luka Modric/Luka Modrić(Other spellings?)(Roberto Firminio/Roberto Firmino)(Other spellings?)(Saido Mane/Saido Mané/Sadio Mane/Sadio Mané)(Other spellings?)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luka_Modrić
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Firmino
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadio_Mané
5712.(Celebrity death that didn't happen.)Do you remember Stan Lee dying?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stan_Lee
Add-On: Do you remember the letters in Sunset Chevrolet not being connected?(Chevyrolet/Chevrolet)
https://www.sunsetchevrolet.com
5713.(Geography change.)Do you remember Coronado being an island instead of a peninsula?(Anything else off?)(Has the bridge moved?)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qBZ9f_S2wlE
5714.(Spelling change.)Overeact/Overreact(Overeach/Overreach)(Overide/Override)(Overun/Overrun)(Overated/Overrated)(Any word that starts with Under with a Second R and Un with a second N.)
http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/overreact
5715.(Company Logo change.)Do you remember the letters in Roadtrek being normal?(Do any of the other logos look off?)
http://www.roadtrek.com
5716.(Company name change.)Casey WerneCarsey WerneCasey-WerneCarsey-Werner(Did it not go by other names?)(Was it only known as Casey Werner and not The Carsey-Werner Company?)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Carsey-Werner_Company
Add-On: Do you remember the letters in Wrestlemania being more blocky and normal?(Any of the other logos look off?)(WrestleMania/Wrestlemania)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wrestlemania_Neutral_Logo.svg
5717.(Music Lyrics change.)"You bring me closer to God."/"You get me closer to God."("Help me think of someone else."/"Help me become someone else.")(Do either of the videos look off?)
http://songmeanings.com/m/songs/view/2434/
5718.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember there being no dead bodies in the opening of M.A.S.H ?(Anything else off about anything with the M.A.S.H?)(MAS*H/M.A.S.H)(Was the latter not an acceptable way to title the show?)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M*A*S*H_(TV_series)
5719.(Celebrity death that didn't happen.)Do you remember Michael Jackson in 2011-2013 instead of June 25, 2009?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jackson
Add-On: Do you remember there being no crocodiles in North America?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_crocodile
5720.(Phantom movie quote.)Do you remember "One of us." being said by the green aliens in Toy Story?(Is the quote in Freaks different and no longer "One of us. You will become one of us."?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glhitQHlSvw
Add-On: Do you remember the building technique of the pyramids being secret?(Were they not originally going to be another shape?)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pyramid_of_Giza
5721.(Logo change.)Do you remember the letters in Pure in Crystal Light Pure being normal?(Do any of the other logos look off?)(Do the letters in Sport in Capri Sun Sport look off?)
https://www.amazon.com/Crystal-Light-Variety-Flavors-Flavodp/B0125PBUXI
http://parents.caprisun.com/en/juice-drinks/sport
5722.(Spelling change.)Fiance/Fiancé(Was it spelled Fiancée for females?)
http://www.dictionary.com/e/fiance-vs-fiancee/
5723.(Famous Rapper name change.)JaRule/Ja Rule(Pitbull/Pit Bull)(Pit Bull/Pitbull)(Singer and dog breed switched spellings.)(Bull Dog/Bulldog)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ja_Rule
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitbull_(rapper)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulldog
Add-On: Do you remember east coast Native American tribes not being a thing?
http://blog.nativepartnership.org/eastern-tribes/
Add-On: Do you remember Burger King burgers being Flame-Broiled instead of Flame-Grilled?(Do any of the logos for their food look off to you?)
https://www.bk.com/food-quality/our-burgers
5724.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember these things about history being a thing?(Sicily is part of Italy instead of its own separate nation, ninjas are Japanese and not Chinese, Benjamin Franklin was never president and lived a shorter life, Call of Duty: Ghosts isn't as liked, the Spanish Armada attacked England three times instead of one and landed troops there, Nikola Tesla didn't get credit for inventing and people think Thomas Edison invented it, Al Capone no longer dies of syphilis and doesn't die of Alcatraz, Star Wars is more popular now, Joe McCarthy is seen as more of a joke now instead of people finding out he discovered KGB spies specifically Rosenberg, England no longer conquered Scotland, and Roman Republic now actually exists instead of people just calling the Roman Kingdom that.)
https://www.reddit.com/Retconned/comments/8wx311/mes_ive_noticed_im_truly_not_in_the_same_reality/
5725.(Fictional Character appearance change.)Do you remember Rosé(Rose?)from Fullmetal(Full Metal?)Alchemist: Brotherhood always having pink or purple hair instead of brown hair sometimes?
http://fma.wikia.com/wiki/Rosé_Thomas
5726.(Music Lyrics change.)"I've been feeling fine baby."/"I've been really trying baby."(Any of the other lyrics off?)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let%27s_Get_It_On_(song)
5727.(Bird name change)Snow Owl/Snowy Owl
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowy_owl
Add-On: Do you remember Maleficent not having yellow eyes?(Did Tigger yellow around his eyes and were parts of him not all yellow and is his nose a different color?)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maleficent
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tigger
5728.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember John Lennon wearing a white suit in the Imagine music video instead of a dark coat?(Anything else off?)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YkgkThdzX-8
Add-On: Do you remember Bruce Lee not doing any drugs, not removing his sweat glands, not having a mistress, was his cause of death not unknown, and were the scratches in his iconic photo different than they are now?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5a62ofrXPc4&t
Add-On: Do you remember "I walked out on a morning." instead of "I walked out this morning."?
https://genius.com/James-taylor-fire-and-rain-lyrics
Add-On: Do you remember there not being two Virgin Of The Rocks paintings?(Were there not multiple The Judgment Of Paris paintings?)(Were there less replicas of Starry Night and the Statue Of Liberty than there are now?)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_of_the_Rocks
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Judgement_of_Paris_(Rubens)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Starry_Night
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replicas_of_the_Statue_of_Liberty
5729.(Date change.)Do you remember these movies released later earlier than they were now?(Monsters, Inc came out in 2001 instead of 2000 or 2005-2006, Disturbia earlier than it was now, Stranger Than Fiction later than it was now, Apocalypto earlier than it was now, X-Men: The Last Stand(Last Stand?)earlier than it was now, Anchorman: The Legend Of Ron Burgundy(Legend Of Ron Burgundy?)later than it was now, Spirit earlier than it was now, Atlantis: The Lost Empire(Lost Empire?)earlier than it was now, Shrek earlier than it was now, Get A Clue earlier than it was now.)
https://www.reddit.com/Retconned/comments/8wznoe/movies_are_not_in_the_right_orde
Add-On: Do you remember the girl in the Morton Salt logo having brown hair?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morton_Salt
5730.(Movie Quote change.)"This s.o.b just killed two cops!"/"This s.o.b just killed two of our own!"/"This s.o.b just killed two of our own men!"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lethal_Weapon
5731.(Geography change.)Do you remember the Pacific Northwest only consisting of Oregon, Idaho, and Washington?(Was it not known as Cascadia?)(Anything else off?)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Northwest
5732.(Fictional Area name change.)Vardenfell/Vaardenfell/Vvardenfell
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Vvardenfell
5733.(Phantom geography.)Do you remember Vanuatu not existing?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanuatu
5734.(Sculpture change.)Do you remember the statue of David not having a sling?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_(Michelangelo)
5735.(YouTube Channel name change.)TheWolfiePit/TheWolfePit
https://m.youtube.com/useTheWolfePit
Add-On: Do you remember C-3PO not having yellow eyes?(Anything else off?)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-3PO
5736.(Music Lyrics change.)"Rolling on a river."/"Rolling on the river."(Any of the other lyrics or versions off?)(Was Tina Turner the one who wrote the song?)(Was the song sung differently?)
https://genius.com/Ike-and-tina-turner-proud-mary-lyrics
5737.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember these photos of slave families from the 1800's not existing?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q4TIQdNOoB0
Add-On: Do you remember the cross on the Flag Of Greece not connecting to the white line?(Anything else off?)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Greece
Add-On: Do you remember Jafar and Iago from Aladdin not ever having yellow eyes?
http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Jafar
http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Iago
Add-On: Do you remember Tony The Tiger not having yellow or green eyes?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_the_Tiger
5738.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember Phytophotodermatitis not being a thing?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytophotodermatitis
5739.(Music Lyrics change.)"From my head to my feet."/"From my hand to my feet."(Does it sound like the latter?)(Anything else off?)
https://genius.com/Def-leppard-pour-some-sugar-on-me-lyrics
Add-On: Do you remember Jabuticaba not existing?(Did it not go by other names?)(Did Disospyros Nigra not exist?)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabuticaba
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diospyros_nigra
Add-On: Do you remember the platypus being extinct?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platypus
5740.(Music Lyrics change.)"Where the eagles fly."/"Where the eagles cry."
https://genius.com/Joe-cocker-and-jennifer-warnes-up-where-we-belong-lyrics
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2015.05.15 18:56 cl0udaryl Detailed responses from MPs thus far.

Positive responses -
IPhoneorAndroid has had a reply from Lord Strasburger;
You are correct that I oppose any legislation that is unduly intrusive and/or repressive. Now that the Commons lacks a large liberal voice, it will be up to the Lords and concerned citizens to resist security-at-all-costs proposals. Best .. Lord Strasburger
The same user also received a reply from David Davis;
I have long been an opponent of the Communications Data Bill and (without the insertion of judicial approval) will continue to oppose it. Yours sincerely David Davis
Illgiveyouthekey has received a reply this morning from their parents Conservative MP - John Glenn, Salisbury.
Thank you for writing to me about the proposed Communications Data Bill. I have taken note of your concerns but at the present moment, the text of the bill has not been published so I cannot comment in full. I can however reassure you that, when the bill is published I will scrutinise it carefully before voting. Additionally any bill passes through several stages of scrutiny within both Houses and within committees so I am confident that the legislation process will not be rushed and any concerns will be addressed fully. Any bill is properly scrutinised and I am confident, when the text of this bill is published, it will not threaten our hard won freedoms. Thank you again for taking the time to write to me. If you have any further concerns once the detail of the bill has been published, please do not hesitate to get in touch. Warm regards, John
Inworkthrowaway has received a reply from Nick Hurd, MP for Ruislip, Northwoon & Pinner.
Thank you for your letter regarding the Draft Communications Data Bill. I have noted your concerns and have raised them with The Rt Hon Theresa May MP. I have requested an official response which I will ensure you have sight of. In the meantime, should you have any further queries or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact me.
Trivvy has received a reply from Jeremy Lefroy, a Conservative MP.
"Dear Trivvy, Thank you for taking the time to contact me regarding the Draft Communications Bill. The purpose of the bill is to bring offenders to justice by ensuring communications data is available to the police, security and intelligence agencies. However, I know that the draft bill has been criticised by some for threatening civil liberties and personal privacy. Civil liberties and privacy are matters which I take very seriously. I believe it necessary to strike a balance between protecting and ensuring civil liberties whilst enabling the security services to effectively do their job. The actual Bill - which may well be different from the Draft Bill - has not yet been published so I cannot comment on it. When it is published, I will study it carefully and ensure that I write to you again with my considered views. Thank you again for taking the time to contact me. Yours sincerely, Jeremy Lefroy."
Lnxs has received a reply from Paul Flynn for Newport West MP.
The proposed bill is likely to be a chunk of vain populism that will have little practical effect. Opponents will be accused of siding with terrorists. Opposition will attract the publicity the Tories crave. It will be a legislative futility at its worst.I'll wait until we see it. Thanks for your comments, Paul Flynn MP.
BenTVNerd21 has received a reply from MP Fabian Hamilton.
Many thanks for your kind email. I expect the Labour Party to oppose the Communications Data Bill when it is brought back to the Commons. I agree with your opinion of this proposed legislation and certainly hope we may defeat it together with Conservative rebels. With best wishes, Fabian Hamilton
The Same user also had David Davis reply.
I have long been an opponent of the Communications Data Bill and (without the insertion of judicial approval) will continue to oppose it. Yours sincerely David Davis
(Redacted) has received a reply from Conservative MP, Iain Stewart, from Milton Keynes South.
Thank you for your email and kind message. I have an open mind on the Communications Data Bill and will wait to see what exactly is brought forward. In general there is always a balance to be struck between preserving our liberty and ensuring our national security. I will look to see that an appropriate balance is maintained as and when specific proposals are put before the new Parliament.
JamacanPenguin has received a reply from Kerry McCarthy Labour MP for Bristol East.
Thank you for your email. Understandably, I received a lot of emails on the Draft Communications Data Bill during the last Parliament and I agree that this could be a major issue again. I did not support the Draft Bill, as it seemed to be an unnecessary and unjustified increase in powers at the expense of our civil liberties. The security and intelligence services do an important job, and we do need to ensure they are appropriately equipped to protect public safety as well as identify individuals responsible for the most shocking of crimes, but the Home Secretary needs to understand that it is the job of Government to protect both security and liberty. While we need to keep under review whether the police and security services have appropriate powers and are keeping up to speed with developing technology, and that our intelligence agencies can respond to the global nature of the threats we face, we need to proceed with caution and have confidence that the necessary safeguards are in place, including stronger judicial oversight. Last year, we secured a statutory review of terrorism powers and oversight by the independent reviewer of terrorism and this will provide an important opportunity to properly judge whether the appropriate balance is being struck. I do not, though, think that we should just rely on the security and intelligence services, and I am concerned that the Coalition neglected the underlying contributing factors to terrorism and extremism. For instance, they cut the Prevent programme, which worked to prevent people being drawn into extremism, and their emphasis was on police-led, rather than community-led, action. I hope the Government will reconsider the value of engagement and early intervention, working constructively with communities, so that we do not need to rely so heavily on the security services further down the line. As I have been Labour’s Shadow Foreign Affairs Minister for Human Rights, I have worked closely with the Labour Campaign for Human Rights – I’m on its Advisory Board - and I know that they are keen to focus their efforts on data surveillance and ensuring that civil liberties are protected. See here for more info - http://lchr.org.uk/. More generally, the Human Rights Act and the European Convention on Human Rights offers essential protections for British citizens and I will be doing everything I can to ensure the UK retains these. As you will probably know, the new Government has already signalled its intention to abolish the HRA, and we need to fight that at every step. Thank you again for getting in touch, and please do not hesitate to contact me if you have any further comments on this or any other matter.
Passive Responses -
Kolley_kibber has had a reply from Alberto Costa, representing South Leicestershire.
Darkrising101 has received a reply from Sir Peter Bottomley MP of Worthing West:
Thank you. You can expect me to consider the issues and the arguments.
OldBoltonian has received a reply from Ed Vaizey, Wantage constituency:
Thanks – a few people have contacted me about this – I will have a look when the Bill is published. Ed
Negative Responses -
George Hollingbery, a Tory, is in support of the bill.
Getddt has received a reply from Simon Burns, Chelmsford MP.
Thank you for your email and congratulations on my re-election. I was grateful to you for contacting me about proposals regarding surveillance and can assure you that the Government will always do whatever is necessary to protect the British people. Conservatives in Government have protected and increased the budgets for the security and intelligence agencies and counter-terrorism policing. However, the scale of the threat to our country from a number of terrorist groups remains serious, and the rise of ISIL in Syria and Iraq has created new havens for terrorists from which attacks against Britain can be planned, financed and directed. The nature of the threat we face is making it more difficult for the security services to identify terrorist plots – especially thanks to new technology. I believe that we must always ensure our outstanding intelligence and security agencies have the powers they need to keep us safe. At the same time, I will continue to reject any suggestions of sweeping, authoritarian measures that would threaten our hard-won freedoms. I am encouraged that the Government will keep up to date the ability of the police and security services to access communications data – the ‘who, where, when and how’ of a communication, but not its content. Communications data is used in 95 per cent of all serious and organised crime prosecutions, and every major counter-terrorism investigation over the last decade. As more and more time is spent online, the ability of law enforcement to access this data is declining rapidly and dangerously. New communications data legislation will strengthen the UK’s ability to disrupt terrorist plots, criminal networks and organised child grooming gangs, even as technology develops. It will maintain the ability of the authorities to intercept the content of suspects’ communications, while continuing to strengthen oversight of the use of these powers.
Gunnerab has received a reply from Tory MP, Richard Harrington from Watford.
Thanks for your kind email, I really appreciate it. I’m really delighted to have been re-elected, I had my first day back in Parliament yesterday! I’ve looked into this and I know that communications data is used in 95 per cent of all serious and organised crime prosecutions, and every major counter-terrorism investigation over the last decade. These days more and more time is spent online, and the ability of law enforcement to access this data is declining rapidly and dangerously so it’s essential that we do something about it. I believe that as far as possible there should be no safe spaces for terrorists to communicate and this is something that we are working towards. Our manifesto made it very clear that a Conservative government will introduce the legislation needed to restore our declining communications data capability. We will also use all the legal powers available to us to make sure that where appropriate the police and security and intelligence agencies have the maximum ability to intercept all communications of suspects, whilst still making sure that all intrusive measures are properly overseen as I do think it’s important that we strike the right balance here. I’m really proud that the Government has strengthened the oversight of the intelligence agencies, and how sensitive powers are used. I think that this was an important step in the right direction. The Intelligence and Security Committee, which oversees the work of the intelligence and security agencies, has been strengthened to make it independent of government and to have the power to require information from the agencies. A new Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board has also been set up, and the Independent Reviewer of Terrorism Legislation has been asked to look at the legislation governing the use of communications data and interception.The Conservatives are determined to draw a line under this debate by legislating early in this Parliament to give the police and security and intelligence agencies, clearly and transparently, the powers they need, and to ensure that the oversight regime keeps pace with technological change and addresses the reasonable concerns of the public. As we are reminded time and again by terrorists, this is not an abstract debate but a very real question of how we can give ourselves the best chance of preventing attacks and saving lives.I want to be clear here that these powers will only be used in extreme circumstances and will have to be approved by an independent board and senior officers. It won’t be the case that security agencies will just be monitoring everyday phone calls and internet use and if it were then I certainly wouldn’t be voting for it! Thanks again for your email on such an important topic. If you’d like to discuss this further then just let me know as I’d be happy to.
14zz4 has received a reply from Tory MP Kelly Tolhurst.
Thank you for your good wishes. I am obviously delighted and this week I am enjoying my induction in to the House of Commons. I appreciate the points you make in your letter with regard to the draft Communinations and Data Bill. We face a very serious terrorist threat from ISIL in Syria and Iraq, and other groups in Africa, the Middle East, Pakistan and Afghanistan. We have protected and increased the budgets for security and counter- terrorism. We have strengthened counter-terrorism laws, made it easier to stop people travelling abroad to fight and to control the return of those who do. We are tackling the extremism that rejects British values of democracy, rule of law and equality – and which lies behind the threat we face. We are determined to keep Britain safe, and protect our peaceful, democratic and tolerant way of life for our children and grandchildren. We scrapped Labour’s intrusive ID cards and have strengthened the committee that oversees the security agencies’ work. You can only enjoy liberty if you have security, so we will never jeopardise public safety. The Conservative government are committed to restore the police and agencies’ access to the communications data they need to fight terrorism and organised crime and to implementing a comprehensive extremism strategy, with British values at its heart, to confront, challenge and defeat extremists. We will introduce new powers to tackle extremists and groups who spread hate but do not break existing laws. This Bill is the ‘who’, ‘when’, and ‘where’ of communication, but not its content. We need this to solve serious crimes, find missing people and stop terrorist attacks. Changing technology means access to communications data is reducing, risking lives. We need to defeat extremism in all its forms and promote British values. In Britain, you do not just get the freedom to live how you choose to, you have to respect other people’s rights to do so too. Best Regards Kelly
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